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screamzero
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| I got one for you, why don't you shut the *uck up |
You know what Kneel, you have a habit of sticking you're nose where it don't belong. Me and Cg where having a debate that didn't involve us cursing at eachother, but you need to have us fight eachother.
drop dead you worthless piece of **it ! keep you're nose out of it!
Me ,and CG can handle ourselves just fine .
and yes it is a valid question. I'm sure you can't name 1.
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No need for concern Bloodstone, I have no interest in a flame war. And yes I was enjoying or exchange it was a nice departure from the norm. I would like to continue this discussion in awhile. After I have watched the procedings. |
I have no interest in a flame war.
Not unless i stick ma nose into it, rt CG? Just joshin' - I'll work on a civil answer for your last address to me.
Kneal.....eat death. |
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Computer_Guy
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I have no interest in a flame war.
Not unless i stick ma nose into it, rt CG? Just joshin' - I'll work on a civil answer for your last address to me.
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Great I'll look forward to it, and respond in kind. |
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Hello from Calgary!
It's nice out here, too bad I'm working.
So I'm just posting to kindly request someone answer my question: Why does the US torture people? As I pointed out the answers are inaccurate and it lowers the respect for your people and your country and thus makes you less safe, especially for the soldiers. |
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The US does not torture, they outsource it. Keeps their hands clean.
What people are calling torture from Gitmo, is not torture.Sorry ,but water boarding is not torture.It extreme YES , torture ,no.Keeping them in cold temps,or hot temps,again extreme ,but torture,no. Blasting loud music for 24 hours extreme yes ,torture ,no. Sleep deprivation extreme yes, torture ,no.
So It really depends on who is claiming we torture. And what their deffinition of torture is.
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Hello from Calgary!
It's nice out here, too bad I'm working.
So I'm just posting to kindly request someone answer my question: Why does the US torture people? As I pointed out the answers are inaccurate and it lowers the respect for your people and your country and thus makes you less safe, especially for the soldiers. |
We don't torture as SOP. The only real torture was done by individuals. |
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hansdew
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The US does not torture, they outsource it. Keeps their hands clean.
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Yeah....and Saddam didn't kill anyone, he had others do it for him. Kept his hands clean. |
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Computer_Guy
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The US does not torture, they outsource it. Keeps their hands clean.
What people are calling torture from Gitmo, is not torture.Sorry ,but water boarding is not torture.It extreme YES , torture ,no.Keeping them in cold temps,or hot temps,again extreme ,but torture,no. Blasting loud music for 24 hours extreme yes ,torture ,no. Sleep deprivation extreme yes, torture ,no.
So It really depends on who is claiming we torture. And what their deffinition of torture is.
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Absolute BS unfortunately  We have both tortured and beaten prisoners to death. Have you watched the documentary "Taxi To The Darkside."?
You can watch it free at this link.
http://www.watch-movies.net/movies/taxi_to_the_dark_side/
Besides Bloodstone it is neither your opinion or mine that matters. After all it is the rest of the World that will decide our guilt. It's a rare day when the prosecuted agree's, with the accusers and prosecuters. Never the less trials are held by the thousands daily. |
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I agree CG,
but I also have not seen many US troops being put on trial for torture?
Most that were have already been dicsiplined,or released from duty.
I do not condone torture ,I'm just saying the people who are using that word are wrong about the technique involved. What happened at GITMO was for the most part not torture.
It was mostly extreme hazing techniques,not torture.
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
So much for the moral highground.
So much for your christian values.
I am literally awestruck by your hypocrisy; by how quickly your highminded beliefs fold under pressure; by your cutthroat justifications.
What a terrible example of a christian you are. You are a disgrace. |
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
So much for the moral highground.
So much for your christian values.
I am literally awestruck by your hypocrisy; by how quickly your highminded beliefs fold under pressure; by your cutthroat justifications.
What a terrible example of a christian you are. You are a disgrace. |
If you'll re-read what I wrote? You will notice that I did not condone or promote torture but rather made a statement of what I have observed. The fact that we don't torture is no deterrent to our troops being tortured.
Hopefully you will reconsider the harsh judgement you condemned me with! |
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
So much for the moral highground.
So much for your christian values.
I am literally awestruck by your hypocrisy; by how quickly your highminded beliefs fold under pressure; by your cutthroat justifications.
What a terrible example of a christian you are. You are a disgrace. |
If you'll re-read what I wrote? You will notice that I did not condone or promote torture but rather made a statement of what I have observed. The fact that we don't torture is no deterrent to our troops being tortured.
Hopefully you will reconsider the harsh judgement you condemned me with! |
You implicitly condone torture with these words:
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
Do you suggest an eye for an eye?
Do you suggest we are justified in torturing, because an enemy tortures? |
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
So much for the moral highground.
So much for your christian values.
I am literally awestruck by your hypocrisy; by how quickly your highminded beliefs fold under pressure; by your cutthroat justifications.
What a terrible example of a christian you are. You are a disgrace. |
If you'll re-read what I wrote? You will notice that I did not condone or promote torture but rather made a statement of what I have observed. The fact that we don't torture is no deterrent to our troops being tortured.
Hopefully you will reconsider the harsh judgement you condemned me with! |
You implicitly condone torture with these words:
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
Do you suggest an eye for an eye?
Do you suggest we are justified in torturing, because an enemy tortures? |
Nope I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. What I am stating is that: Our not torturing has not prevented most of the enemies we've faced from using torture on our troops when they get the chance.
You are the only one who has suggested "an eye for eye" in this visit. I really have a hard time believing that you actually read my post and came up with me condoning torture. And you did it not just once but twice in a row. The second time you quoted my post and still didn't read it. And if you read my post and jumped to such a rediculously inaccurate conclusion? It means that you are projecting your own negative thought patterns on me. |
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Personanongrata
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Please explain the point of your "observation", then:
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| From what I've observed, It makes no difference whether or not we torture people. Most of the enemies we have faced have tortured our troops when they get the chance. So the idea that we are preventing our people from being tortured by our not torturing, is inaccurate. |
Your point, please, your effin point. 
What reason or reasons was there for you to tell anyone here that U.S. troops get tortured? Do you think people here aren't aware of the possibility? Did you think it made you sound smart? Who holds the view that by not allowing torture, we are necessarily preventing our troops from being tortured? What are you really saying with the words, "It makes no difference whether or not we torture people."? How was that sentence intended to be received?
Your point.
Get to it. |
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| I'm still waiting for an answer too my question, it's a real basic question.... |
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