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hansdew
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| Hmmm, so having folks torture our prisoners for us by proxy, completely absovlves our government of responsibility ? |
I didn't say that. All I said was they do not torture? please don't put words in my mouth. |
See, BStone must have meant physically dirty when he wrote:
" As as I know we do not torture people , we outsource it, so we don't get dirty. "
I hate physical dirt too. Makin' me take a damn shower, sheesh! Now that's a good reason to get someone else to brutalize others for you. No shower needed.
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I also didn't say I agree with it. In this fight we are in I remember something that was said.
We are going to have to deal with some shady characters. even some down right evil people if we are going to make a difference in this fight. |
Nothing like stooping to their level, huh? Nothing like freely giving up the moral high ground. Geez, isn't it plain....we have to be shady to protect you from shady people. Oh and did I mention that YOU don't need to know.
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| I will say that if we are involved in torture, I don't think we need to know, |
What about government of, by, and for the people?
Are you actually endorsing the idea of a deliberately uninformed populace? That's the 2nd most unAmerican statement in your post.
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| We can not expect our people to fight by all the rules |
And that is the 1st most unAmerican statement in your post. Following the rules is the only thing that separates us from them.
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| ( why there are rules in war I'll never get that but) while every one else tramples on our agreement with the Geneva convention. |
#1 we started the war. #2 we trampled the Geneva conventions.
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| Terrorists have no remorse cutting the heads off their captives. |
Sensationalism. As if killing an innocent civilian with a precision guided missile is somehow in a different category.
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| They abide by no rules. The only way to strike fear in them, is to be even more brutal than them. |
Frankly, I am more afraid of you than of them.
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| It's sad, but that is the only thing that will make them think twice. We have tried being the nice country,look where it got us. |
And where has brutality gotten us?
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I have a problem with anyone torturing anyone,but I also have no problem with what was going on at GITMO. It was not outside the realm of being reasonable high stress interogation. In most cases there.
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Do you have a problem with the entire lack of oversight? Or I suppose that is too secret, too sensitive. We cannot even be assured of oversight.
"Trust me," says the gov't.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly, I am more afraid of you than of them. |
Good . Maybe you'll stay away from me then. 
I just love when people speak for me. 
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hansdew
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly, I am more afraid of you than of them. |
Good . Maybe you'll stay away from me then.
I just love when people speak for me.
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Sorry. Not going anywhere.
I love it when my fellow citizens advocate giving up my rights. We don't ned to know what our gov't is doing in our names. It's okay for our gov't to not follow the rules.
Baa Baa BloodStone, have you any wool? |
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MOVE ALONG FLAMER ...
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hansdew
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MOVE ALONG FLAMER ...
BloodStone... |
Negative. You are ensuring I will be going nowhere.
Disagreement makes me a flamer? |
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Wrong definition of flamer.
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| Perhaps you can steer this thread back on topic, since it was you that veered off into wherever we are now. |
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| Frankly, I am more afraid of you than of them. |
Good . Maybe you'll stay away from me then.
I just love when people speak for me.
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I would like for you to respond to all of the points made in his post, BS, NOT just that one. Why did you choose to only respond to that one sentence? Maybe because you aren't intelligent enough to post a proper response, one that appropriately deals with a very serious subject?
Or did you only get a thrill thinking someone might be afraid of you? |
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| I would like for you to respond to all of the points made in his post |
And I was hoping you would drop dead, well looks like neither one of us is getting what they wanted. too bad.
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| I would like for you to respond to all of the points made in his post |
And I was hoping you would drop dead, well looks like neither one of us is getting what they wanted. too bad. |
In other words, you have no rebuttal.
The points made against your argument stand.
Your only response is hateful speech, and a stubborn refusal to accept reason.
To conclude, what this means is that you are not genuinely interested in getting to the truth of a matter, or understanding it.
No, what you are interested in is justifying and ignoring evil.
"The barbed wire which fenced us in did not cause us any real fear. We even thought ourselves rather well off; we were entirely self-contained. A little Jewish republic ... We appointed a Jewish Council, a Jewish police, an office for social assistance, a labor committee, a hygiene department – a whole government machinery. Everyone marveled at it. We should no longer have before our eyes those hostile faces, those hate-laden stares. Our fear and anguish were at an end. We were living among Jews, among brothers ...
It was neither German nor Jew who ruled the ghetto – it was illusion."
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I have plenty of rebuttal , I already told you in the other thread, I will no longer debate someone who twists my words.
You are one of them . so I'm pretty much done with you.
You have no use here, I'm sure others will follow suit.I'm sure if we ignore you long enough you will fade away.
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I have plenty of rebuttal , I already told you in the other thread, I will no longer debate someone who twists my words.
You are one of them . so I'm pretty much done with you.
You have no use here, I'm sure others will follow suit.I'm sure if we ignore you long enough you will fade away.
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Thank you for proving my point. You have no real interest in anything other than being an ostrich with your head in the ground, willfully blind and unwilling to genuinely listen to anything that may threaten your little world.
Who else would you like to ignore here, until they "fade away"? |
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If one does not want their words twisted, then one needs to learn to communicate more clearly.
Problem is that there are a lot of folks that know exactly what they are saying AND choose to be vague.
Clear communication eliminates plausible deniability.
Say what you mean and say it clearly. Otherwise expect that your words will be twisted.
Frankly, I don't give BStone enough credit to be intentionally unclear. |
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I have plenty of rebuttal , I already told you in the other thread, I will no longer debate someone who twists my words.
You are one of them . so I'm pretty much done with you.
You have no use here, I'm sure others will follow suit.I'm sure if we ignore you long enough you will fade away.
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You're right about PNG. There is no use visiting with PNG since PNG can't understand what other people are saying. I'll be glad when grade school starts again. |
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I have plenty of rebuttal , I already told you in the other thread, I will no longer debate someone who twists my words.
You are one of them . so I'm pretty much done with you.
You have no use here, I'm sure others will follow suit.I'm sure if we ignore you long enough you will fade away.
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You're right about PNG. There is no use visiting with PNG since PNG can't understand what other people are saying. I'll be glad when grade school starts again. |
Perhaps you would like to answer those quesions?
Or do you choose to live in morally compromised silence, too? |
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