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michelle48625
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| why is it that people either belive in evolution or god why not both just because there is proof things happened in a certain order maybe god just didnt think he had to put absoulutly everything in the bible that he did why could things not have happened as they have cause thats how he created it? |
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Because we donīt know.
Although science is proving more and more the unlikelyhood of the existence of God the more discoveries are made...
Science is though equally blind as religions because they donīt want to know other things other than their own beliefs which makes them both unlikely in themselves...
There is however one truth.
We make our own destiny and future aswell as leaving our history behind and at the same time present so we can learn from our misstakes...
Unfortunatly people are guided by fear and hatred for the unknown that they need something to justify it with something similar leading to the believe in God which in its turn leads to the evil acts they do today and throughout the whole history of human existence...
But because they are blinded by this false truth they will never realize it... |
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| Although science is proving more and more the unlikelyhood of the existence of God the more discoveries are made |
Can you show me one instance where science tried to conclude the unlikelyhood of the existance of God? Any scientist or study that concluded God didn;t exist? Any study that specifically was conducted to proove this?
Personally I have never herd any scientist ever declare such a conclusion. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Although science is proving more and more the unlikelyhood of the existence of God the more discoveries are made |
Can you show me one instance where science tried to conclude the unlikelyhood of the existance of God? Any scientist or study that concluded God didn;t exist? Any study that specifically was conducted to proove this?
Personally I have never herd any scientist ever declare such a conclusion. |
ugh..... been a while since ive been to church..... anywho.....
I personaly do not believe in god for reasons i dont feel like getting into at the moment..... however.... there was one scientist (whom of which i dont remember the name) who had set out claiming that within 3 years he was going to prove that the bible was wrong. at the end of those 3 years he converted to christianity because he could not find any proof thaqt anything in the bible was not wrong.
im horrible at putting whats on my mind into words so i might have been able to phrase that better some how...... but theres an example of someone who tried to prove god didnt exist. |
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You can't prove that a God doesn't exist. You also can't prove that we are not in the Matrix, or that we weren't created one second ago with memories intact, or that you aren't the only conscious person in existence, or that this isn't all one big dream.
All we can do is prove certain hypotheses "unnecessary", or "unparsimonious". An example of this is gravity, where we cannot prove gravity is not causd by invisible elves pushing objects towards the earth, but, seeing as we have not proved the existence of these elves, and we can explain gravity without positing their existence, that hypothesis is unnecessary and should be rejected pending further evidence.
Many scientists say we can say the same about God, and many have put forward plenty of evidence and elaborate arguments to back up their claims. Unfortunately, the more we learn about the Universe, the more it seems obvious we know incredibly little. We can predict what the Universe will do very accurately, but we have little idea of the whys and hows of much of what goes on around us.
So it seems at this stage science can't weigh in with any great confidence on the God matter, unless the God makes specific claims, or specific claims are made about that God, and how he operates, like the God of the Bible, in which case we can make a compelling case that he does not exist as described in those books/writings.
Once something supposedly interacts wth the Universe, it becomes scientifically examinable. |
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The Theory of Evolution was adopted about a hundred years ago and I have yet to see any "Compelling" evidence.
Science has already proven that GOD created everything including time and crunchy peanut butter. The proof is all around us in this non-random universe. Scientists have many volumes of data that prove everything exists. Every thing works and it works for a reason. The only other option, to GOD creating everything, is that everything just popped into existance from nothing. Sounds impossible I know. But people actually try to convince us that for no good reason things pop in and out of existance all the time.
There is certainly a process of life that allows living things to adapt to environmental changes. But that process did not create life from dead stuff. That process was programmed into our genetic material by GOD. Life is most certainly not an accedent. And life could never occur by chance. It really makes no difference how many billions and billions of years randomness and chance works on nothing. At the end of that time Nothing will still be nothing.
Order comes from order. There is no other way for this well ordered universe to exist. |
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interesting observation Greeny..
i have heard more than one scientist say that the more they look into something amazing, they they are impressed by the wonders 'god made".
we can always credit god to the amazing.
it's our job to understand it.
that's how it works.
yes, science seems cold, and hard..
but questioning evrything is a hard thing.
OKIE, if you want to believe that way. i can find NO fault with a belief system..
but know, that EVERY scientific study, leads to more questions, and findings, sometimes to our very existance and benefit.
i don't see too many sick people being faith healed.
without science, medicine might as well be a witch doctor, or that idiot with no neck on TV.
i have yet to hear of anyone praying up a laptop..
but faith has it's place.
God allows for evolution..
marvel at it.
you'll get the ultimate answer when you die..
isn't that comforting? |
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It's something of an endless argument, which I don't even really believe we'll be magically given all the answers even upon death...but that's another issue....
I cannot personally believe, nor do i feel there is adequate evidence to suggest, that life came from non-life. Also the intricate structure of everything, even down to the smallest levels and beyond, speak volumes to me about the idea that this complexit could not have just arisen by "chance" collisions and interactions of molecules....just can't be so in my opinion.
As to the whole religious dogma and storytelling that gets wrapped around this sort of thing, im not really into all that anymore, but at the base level, no I do not believe that things arose on their own. |
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What I meant was, the more information we get the more the picture of God fades and new pictures enters on what it really is.
I have no doubt that this question is NOT endless.
We are to primitive to undertand anything yet and I will always stay by that argument. |
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| Certainly, it is becoming more and more apparent to some folks that God is not this bearded old man sitting on a chair up in the sky with a big stick, ready to whap you on the head when you make a wrong move. |
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| okiejack wrote: |
| Science has already proven that GOD created everything including time and crunchy peanut butter. |
I have to ask how science has proven god exists........ |
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| Certainly, it is becoming more and more apparent to some folks that God is not this bearded old man sitting on a chair up in the sky with a big stick, ready to whap you on the head when you make a wrong move. |
God goes to the barbershop?  |
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| Science has already proven that GOD created everything including time and crunchy peanut butter. |
I have to ask how science has proven god exists........ |
Science has proven that our physical world exists and that our reality could not have popped into being from nothing. Because all the evidence so far describes a cause and effect, non-radom, highly ordered universe. So science has proved the only way our well ordered universe can exist is for there to be an all powerful Creator. |
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| Science has already proven that GOD created everything including time and crunchy peanut butter. |
I have to ask how science has proven god exists........ |
Science has proven that our physical world exists and that our reality could not have popped into being from nothing. Because all the evidence so far describes a cause and effect, non-radom, highly ordered universe. So science has proved the only way our well ordered universe can exist is for there to be an all powerful Creator. |
Ahhh yes, the tired ol' argument of the prime cause.
Tell us Mr. Science, who created your all-powerful Creator? |
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| hansdew wrote: |
| okiejack wrote: |
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| Science has already proven that GOD created everything including time and crunchy peanut butter. |
I have to ask how science has proven god exists........ |
Science has proven that our physical world exists and that our reality could not have popped into being from nothing. Because all the evidence so far describes a cause and effect, non-radom, highly ordered universe. So science has proved the only way our well ordered universe can exist is for there to be an all powerful Creator. |
Ahhh yes, the tired ol' argument of the prime cause.
Tell us Mr. Science, who created your all-powerful Creator? |
GOD is the eternal. GOD never wasn't. There was no beginning for GOD and there will be no ending for GOD. |
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