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That's the funny thing about the whole argument....I get endlessly entertained by the fact that one would say "who created God"...the very nature of God is such that it surpasses the paradigm of cause and effect that "material" creation is subject to.
It's very simple for me, even regardless of the bible....
The fact that I exist as an individual entity, limited by space and time, age, decay, and that I am one of billions of others, means (to me) that there MUST exist a being who surpasses all those things, and between "he" and I are possibly endless varieties of material beings as well as "energy" (or spiritual) beings, a mishmash of the two, etc...until such a point that there MUST (to me) exist an End to that concept, i.e. God, everywhere at once, eternal, singular. |
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What about all the other Gods that existed before your so called god?
This is one of the main reasons to why every religion is wrong.
They all claim to be the right one when in reallity they are not.
"Your God is a false one while mine is the real God"
Thatīs how modern religions thinks.
In time religions today will fade and new will come and maybe there are more than 1 God in those religions.
Hopefully mankind matures enough to realize that the only ones that can give salvation to us all is us alone and no one else.
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times  |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
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| But it's an educated guess, called a hypothesis. And supported with enough evidence it becomes a theory. And maybe one day it will become fatct. |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
Well, you see, when scientists put together a theory, that theory makes predictions. When those predictions consistently come true, you no longer have a guess, you have a demonstrable fact.
Kinda like one might guess that running into hard things could be painful, then one might make a prediction, based on that guess, that running at 50mph into a solid concrete wall might really hurt someone, then, one might set up an experiment where someone does just that, and observe them and their reaction, then we'd know.
In case you didn't get it, in the above example, the guess would be the hypothesis, and then we arrange an experiment and make a prediction, and then from observing that experiment we turn our guess into a scientific theory with strong observation evidence. When we've conducted that experiment about 1000 times, we then have a scientific fact, not a guess. |
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| That certainly sounds like a sensible way to ascertain and understand how the universe works to me, perhaps preferable to blind faith in a strict religious explanation that doesn't allow room for any evolution of that understanding. |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
Well, you see, when scientists put together a theory, that theory makes predictions. When those predictions consistently come true, you no longer have a guess, you have a demonstrable fact.
Kinda like one might guess that running into hard things could be painful, then one might make a prediction, based on that guess, that running at 50mph into a solid concrete wall might really hurt someone, then, one might set up an experiment where someone does just that, and observe them and their reaction, then we'd know.
In case you didn't get it, in the above example, the guess would be the hypothesis, and then we arrange an experiment and make a prediction, and then from observing that experiment we turn our guess into a scientific theory with strong observation evidence. When we've conducted that experiment about 1000 times, we then have a scientific fact, not a guess. |
He He!
Well your example is no good because I was driving an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) about fifty miles an hour and ran into a brick wall. It didn't hurt me at all. But it ruined the wall. So your guess is wrong. |
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He He!
Well your example is no good because I was driving an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) about fifty miles an hour and ran into a brick wall. It didn't hurt me at all. But it ruined the wall. So your guess is wrong. |
In the example it says really 50% that itīs gonna hurt you and 50% that itīs not.
The 100% accuracy in the example though is that you still are going to run into the wall no matter what the outcome is afterwards.
And you driving into a brick of wall doesnīt make you any smarter either |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
Well, you see, when scientists put together a theory, that theory makes predictions. When those predictions consistently come true, you no longer have a guess, you have a demonstrable fact.
Kinda like one might guess that running into hard things could be painful, then one might make a prediction, based on that guess, that running at 50mph into a solid concrete wall might really hurt someone, then, one might set up an experiment where someone does just that, and observe them and their reaction, then we'd know.
In case you didn't get it, in the above example, the guess would be the hypothesis, and then we arrange an experiment and make a prediction, and then from observing that experiment we turn our guess into a scientific theory with strong observation evidence. When we've conducted that experiment about 1000 times, we then have a scientific fact, not a guess. |
He He!
Well your example is no good because I was driving an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) about fifty miles an hour and ran into a brick wall. It didn't hurt me at all. But it ruined the wall. So your guess is wrong. |
You're supposed to run, not drive. Don't ask me how you run 50 mph, t's not important, but Red Bulls will probably have to be involved. |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
Well, you see, when scientists put together a theory, that theory makes predictions. When those predictions consistently come true, you no longer have a guess, you have a demonstrable fact.
Kinda like one might guess that running into hard things could be painful, then one might make a prediction, based on that guess, that running at 50mph into a solid concrete wall might really hurt someone, then, one might set up an experiment where someone does just that, and observe them and their reaction, then we'd know.
In case you didn't get it, in the above example, the guess would be the hypothesis, and then we arrange an experiment and make a prediction, and then from observing that experiment we turn our guess into a scientific theory with strong observation evidence. When we've conducted that experiment about 1000 times, we then have a scientific fact, not a guess. |
He He!
Well your example is no good because I was driving an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) about fifty miles an hour and ran into a brick wall. It didn't hurt me at all. But it ruined the wall. So your guess is wrong. |
You're supposed to run, not drive. Don't ask me how you run 50 mph, t's not important, but Red Bulls will probably have to be involved. |
Oh! Now you tell me. I don't think that's scientifically fair. Maybe if you change it to fifty kph?
Anyhow you seem to be getting a little distracted. I bet that baby is distracting you. Hope all is well in that respect. |
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Read some Quantum Physics guys, our Universe also manages to find ways to bypass cause and effect.
Okie is completely wrong, and a few hundred years behind the times |
Thanks for the compliment but I am not perfect in any way including being perfectly wrong.
Just because the high priests of physics write stuff on paper does not mean they're correct but rather are just guessing. |
Well, you see, when scientists put together a theory, that theory makes predictions. When those predictions consistently come true, you no longer have a guess, you have a demonstrable fact.
Kinda like one might guess that running into hard things could be painful, then one might make a prediction, based on that guess, that running at 50mph into a solid concrete wall might really hurt someone, then, one might set up an experiment where someone does just that, and observe them and their reaction, then we'd know.
In case you didn't get it, in the above example, the guess would be the hypothesis, and then we arrange an experiment and make a prediction, and then from observing that experiment we turn our guess into a scientific theory with strong observation evidence. When we've conducted that experiment about 1000 times, we then have a scientific fact, not a guess. |
He He!
Well your example is no good because I was driving an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) about fifty miles an hour and ran into a brick wall. It didn't hurt me at all. But it ruined the wall. So your guess is wrong. |
You're supposed to run, not drive. Don't ask me how you run 50 mph, t's not important, but Red Bulls will probably have to be involved. |
Oh! Now you tell me. I don't think that's scientifically fair. Maybe if you change it to fifty kph?
Anyhow you seem to be getting a little distracted. I bet that baby is distracting you. Hope all is well in that respect. |
Yep, all is well, plenty of distractions tho with the baby and Tropical Storm Fay |
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| wasnt this topic originally about evolution? |
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