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| It's a sad state when the certainty of the level and "crusted determined" opinionate limitations of the human experience. |
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I'm really only playing advocate here in order to attempt a dialog of something that appears to violate our percieved natural laws.
The very term "natural laws" implies something immutable, unchanging, but scientific history bears out that all mans attempts to define these natural laws limits them in ways which get proven false or imcomplete sometime in the future.
Remember what Einstein said about theories?
We, man, seek to define the effects we experience here against the great natural laws, and add them to the pile of natural laws. This is where relativity comes into play. We have to remember what we are describing is relative to something? Can you describe mans apparent need to consume water from a Divine creators point of view? Why would he do that?
Man's innate bifurcated ability to define his world is based upon the concept of duality. Faith and Doubt are two sides of the same coin. It is easy to assume that we cannot transcend the need for both. It is in meditation where man seeks to move towards non-duality or a state of singularity. Still a natural state, but one in which the veil is removed and we transcend doubts.
Is the boy real? Physically, yes, spiritually? I still don't know, although I don't have doubt that it is possible.  |
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Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt, but we have caught frauds time and time again.
You can choose to believe this guy is different if you like, but I simply do not buy it for a second.
I feel this excessive-open-mindedness towards what are, on the surface, outrageous claims, and the need to wonder about the possibilties, and the attacks on science for being wrong in the past, are all techniques that allow these kind of people to get away with fraud far too easily.
If you put the same effort into getting these guys tested and into spotting potential trickery, as you should, we'd have a far greater understanding of what really is and is not possible, and although I doubt it, just maybe we'd have a confirmed genuine case of the paranormal. But instead, your's and other's near instant acceptance of any paranormal claim allows these people to keep on doing what they're doing - conning the gullible and never having to face the music and prove themselves. |
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| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
 
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
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| humphreys wrote: |
| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
Oh whose part?
If I doubt, will it stop the divine boy from being able to survive without food?
If so, then the very existence of my doubt and that of many others means this man cannot survive without food.
If doubt simply stops me from being about to survive without food, that's kinda irrelevant, since it is this man's claim we are addressing, and not mine.
In short, why not approach the subject with skepticism until he proves himself genuine? |
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| humphreys wrote: |
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| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
Oh whose part?
If I doubt, will it stop the divine boy from being able to survive without food?
If so, then the very existence of my doubt and that of many others means this man cannot survive without food.
If doubt simply stops me from being about to survive without food, that's kinda irrelevant, since it is this man's claim we are addressing, and not mine.
In short, why not approach the subject with skepticism until he proves himself genuine? |
Besides. if he was for real, he would've been assassinated by the weight loss industry by now.
I mean, who needs Jenny Craig if they can just stop eating?  |
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| Personanongrata wrote: |
| humphreys wrote: |
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| humphreys wrote: |
| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
Oh whose part?
If I doubt, will it stop the divine boy from being able to survive without food?
If so, then the very existence of my doubt and that of many others means this man cannot survive without food.
If doubt simply stops me from being about to survive without food, that's kinda irrelevant, since it is this man's claim we are addressing, and not mine.
In short, why not approach the subject with skepticism until he proves himself genuine? |
Besides. if he was for real, he would've been assassinated by the weight loss industry by now.
I mean, who needs Jenny Craig if they can just stop eating? |
No, you've got it all backwards 
This guy is the fat person's hero, because he proves what they've been saying all along. Some people can eat hardly anything and still not lose weight!
Fat people want the opposite to this guy's talent; to eat and eat and eat without putting on weight.
Just think, if fat people start meditating and get this guy's talent, even eating one pice of bread a week would cause them to gain CONSIDERABLE weight, since eating nothing causes them to keep their current weight. |
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You know, I was thinking.
It's too bad no one informed all those people who starved in the concentration camps that they didn't HAVE to eat to survive.
That boy can stick his Divine Powers where the sun don't shine. |
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Yeah, it kinda reminds me of The Secret, where whatever you believe or want will come to you, as long as you stay positive. Likewise, negative thoughts bring about negative outcomes.
So, those people in the concentration camps could have saved themselves by thinking positive, and they were only there because of their negative thoughts in the first place.
Also, it's a little bit like the Bible, and prayer. If you believe hard enough, and have enough faith, anything is possible. Of course, if your prayers aren't answered, or you failed in anything, you simply didn't have enough faith/belief.
How many people could potentially die following this man's technique of meditating and not eating before they realized he was a fraud, and it was not possible?
How many children will die because their parents refuse to treat them medically, preferring to pray to God to heal him, and have complete faith in him? It's happened before, and it will happen again. |
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People here can believe in Aliens, vast conspiracies and lizardmen...
But this?
Never that. |
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| humphreys wrote: |
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| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
Oh whose part?
If I doubt, will it stop the divine boy from being able to survive without food?
If so, then the very existence of my doubt and that of many others means this man cannot survive without food.
If doubt simply stops me from being about to survive without food, that's kinda irrelevant, since it is this man's claim we are addressing, and not mine.
In short, why not approach the subject with skepticism until he proves himself genuine? |
I don't think your doubt will impact those that do not doubt directly. But if you were eating something in front of someone who no longer thought about food, you'd serve as a reminder. That is the dark horse of doubt which creeps into ones thoughts and prayers.
It is easy to doubt what you know, when your senses are showing you something contrary.  |
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People here can believe in Aliens, vast conspiracies and lizardmen...
But this?
Never that. |
Well, I believe in none of the above. Not aliens visitng us, anyway. |
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| Red_Dog wrote: |
| humphreys wrote: |
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| humphreys wrote: |
| Like I said, we can wonder and debate about the "possibilities" until we're blue in the face, but the facts are, no one has ever proven they can do this beyond reasonable doubt,... |
In this discussion, for this power to exist, there is no room for doubt, reasonable or not.
Anyone acting without doubt, will always appear foolish to those who have doubt. Or to put in another way:
Someone acting on information only they have, will appear to be acting foolishly to those more ignorant.
Case in point: President Bush. |
Oh whose part?
If I doubt, will it stop the divine boy from being able to survive without food?
If so, then the very existence of my doubt and that of many others means this man cannot survive without food.
If doubt simply stops me from being about to survive without food, that's kinda irrelevant, since it is this man's claim we are addressing, and not mine.
In short, why not approach the subject with skepticism until he proves himself genuine? |
I don't think your doubt will impact those that do not doubt directly. But if you were eating something in front of someone who no longer thought about food, you'd serve as a reminder. That is the dark horse of doubt which creeps into ones thoughts and prayers.
It is easy to doubt what you know, when your senses are showing you something contrary. |
So we agree my doubt will not affect this guy at all.
Your kind of blind belief is infinitely more dangerous and harmful, by the way. People die through blind, irrational belief, not reasonable, evidence supported doubt and skepticism. |
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So we agree my doubt will not affect this guy at all.
Your kind of blind belief is infinitely more dangerous and harmful, by the way. People die through blind, irrational belief, not reasonable, evidence supported doubt and skepticism. |
I'm not advocating blind belief or blind faith. That is your term, you use, when you don't comprehend what you are seeing.
Your confusion is typical of most people, that cannot gasp their original state when first brought into this world. Faith with no doubt. Not religious faith either. Doubt is something we learn through love and affection (duality) They can and do exist together, and skepticism is proof of this.
We doubt what we know, so we seek to prove it. Seek and ye shall find.
But a state of faith can exist without doubt. (non-duality/singularity) also known as a divine state. There is nothing blind in that endeavor. |
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Great Theory that meditation can replace the need for water, but if so for how long? The bodily functions of humans and water differs greatly from a desert dweller who lives in 135 degree temperatures to an Escimo who lives in 60 below temperatures. They have done surgury with hypnosis and no anestetic, but its the exception not the rule. So is this!
The arguement that meditation can transgress a natural processes may work, but only prolong death without H20. Its like coasting downhill to conserve fuel to get further. You are only conserving the H20 in the body with meditation, slowing down your use of energy or your matablism.
If you tried another experiment its easy to understand. Meditate fully and see if you can defy the affects of gravity, another natural process, by tossing the gifted boy off the top of a building when he is fully meditated. I recommend something high like the Empire State Building to give him every bit of time he needs to proove the point. Even if he has no H20 in his system or drinks a big glass of water, he will accellerate at the same rate. He will also stop at the same rate. Meditation will not change this process whatsoever, so why should we believe it would change the other function of H20 either? |
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