God was trying? Wow so all mighty powerful he is, Trying? He can´t teach 2 stupid humans with ease?
Thank you for making your God even lower
You are unfamiliar with the concept of free will? Yes, God was trying to teach A&E. They had to learn to choose good from evil. And God succeeded so I don't understand your comments here. A&E didn't have to stay in that cave too long. They graduated from school and moved on.
Saturos wrote:
And for the record, that´s not calling it wise them up.
It´s calling making you all pets to feed and teach a few tricks.
Huh? Translation? Bueller, Bueller?
Saturos wrote:
The creators? another statement that says god has nothing to do with the bible except smart people wanting power over the rest by putting these "wise" words at that time.
The people who wrote the Holy Bible were inspired by God. Where is the confusion? The Holy Bible is filled with wisdom so why do you care whether or not God actually wrote it? The idea is that you should accept the wisdom contained therein. Perhaps that point was lost on you. Have you even read it?
And the biggest point of all is that you have not even mentioned any of the great stories in the Bible so you aren't even attempting to gain anything from the work. So basically, you heard some anti-religious basher out there talking nonsense, didn't bother to investigate for yourself and simply regurgitated their vile bigotry here.
Saturos wrote:
I even learned by myself things that are in the bible without me reading the bible so am I your God aswell now?
If I can become a bit wiser then I could probably turn this world downsideup again
Your point does not follow from anything I said.
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If we truly had "free-will" would we really vote god into office??
Being less than perfect any choice we would make would be less than perfect. Besides, God is not a politician. Personally, I believe that some entity created the universe. Nothing creates itself and there is no scientific evidence to the contrary. But, God down here worrying about our everyday lives seems unlikely to me. God's got better things to do I'm sure. So that creates the opportunity for a slight redefinition of the term "god". Little g "god" could be used to refer to a very advanced race of aliens, who would be, presumably, much wiser than Humans. And it could be they who inspired the writers of the Bible. But, as I said, the Bible contains wisdom and that is what you are supposed to focus on.
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TNuke wrote:
No, you are supposed to question and that was the point of having Satan visit Adam & Eve in that cave and deceive them. God was trying to get them to wise up.
The "all-powerful God" allows the less powerful "Satan" to roam around freely on Earth and deceive "His" creations in order to get them to "wise up?" Sounds like a game of trickery. Which preacher fed you that nonsense?
TNuke wrote:
Adam and Eve were closer to the animals than we and did not have complete knowledge of good and evil.
"Satan" was said to be a serpent/reptile, not an "animal." Maybe they should have listened to Mickey Mouse, then none of this would have happened.
TNuke wrote:
They had to be taught. But your questioning does not make your statements more valid than the ones in the Bible.
Hey, I'm not the one claiming I hear voices in my head. You shouldn't put your faith in schizophrenic humans -- it's not healthy.
TNuke wrote:
You should trust that the creators of the Bible had more knowledge and wisdom than you.
I'd rather put my trust in the song that goes "one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater." Those people had about as much wisdom as a donkey with grandiose type delusional disorder.
TNuke wrote:
Actually its 6,500 years (approximately) and THAT is based on some guy taking all the generations mentioned in the Bible and adding them up, starting from a biblical event that has a known date. Its arbitrary.
Arbitrary my bootyary. Whether it's 6,000 or 6,500 makes no difference. Homosapien remains have been found that existed over a million years ago. If the Bible dates back only 6,500 years to "Adam & Eve," then the whole Bible is a big pile of Godzilla poo.
TNuke wrote:
Genesis is a story that has no date, plus its a metaphor and an over-simplification of actual events.
The fact remains that the story of "Genesis" was taken literally up until science started proving it wrong. Now it's a metaphor. And some fools even still take it literally.
Saying that the Earth (Day 3) was created before the stars(Day 4) would be classified as a retarded metaphor.
TNuke wrote:
I suspect that the 6,500 years thing was dreamed up by some joker that hates Christianity, kind of like people who pick one thing out the Kuran and amplify that and claim it represents the entire religion.
Oh, you "suspect." I suspect you haven't done your research, that's why you can only "suspect." Ever thought the guy(s) who went back to look at it were simply in search of the truth, instead of keeping their heads buried in the sand? Nawwwww, that can't be.
TNuke wrote:
The real Bible doesn't say anything about any stupid 6.500 years! Up until about a decade ago I never heard anything about any 6,500 years.
Do yourself a favor and add up the years for yourself, then you might actually believe it...if ya' ain't too skeered "God" might strike you for doing it.
It actually adds up to around 6,000 years when going back to "Adam & Eve."
TNuke wrote:
Been meaning to give Matt Damon a call.
I didn't know Matt was gay and spoke to ignorant fools.
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The "all-powerful God" allows the less powerful "Satan" to roam around freely on Earth and deceive "His" creations in order to get them to "wise up?" Sounds like a game of trickery. Which preacher fed you that nonsense?
A&E believed without question because they had never been lied to. You are supposed to learn that there are people who lie. So, what grade are you in son?
event_horizon wrote:
"Satan" was said to be a serpent/reptile, not an "animal." Maybe they should have listened to Mickey Mouse, then none of this would have happened.
Satan was also known as The Teacher. You are supposed to gain knowledge from the experience, not blindly believe someone just because they are more powerful than you. You imply that all Christians blindly believe the Bible. That is an anti-religious bigot generated myth. Christians are intelligent people who choose to accept the wisdom and philosophy of the Bible. Christians know that some of the Bible is metaphorical and some is historically factual. Christians aren't having any problem with it, only religious bigots like you are having a problem with it.
And while we are on that subject... Why do you care what somebody else believes in? What business is it of yours?
Jesus had to deal with bigots too, even in his own home town. Didn't stop him though did it?
event_horizon wrote:
Hey, I'm not the one claiming I hear voices in my head. You shouldn't put your faith in schizophrenic humans -- it's not healthy.
What voices? You mean the one that keeps telling me not to argue with fools? Yep, that voice is probably right but I'm stubborn.
event_horizon wrote:
I'd rather put my trust in the song that goes "one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater." Those people had about as much wisdom as a donkey with grandiose type delusional disorder.
Man that is a bold statement, backed up by jack squat. So you are telling me that, for instance, the story of Joseph has no wisdom? I guess to a moron that would be true.
event_horizon wrote:
Arbitrary my bootyary. Whether it's 6,000 or 6,500 makes no difference. Homosapien remains have been found that existed over a million years ago. If the Bible dates back only 6,500 years to "Adam & Eve," then the whole Bible is a big pile of Godzilla poo.
I never said I agreed that the world is only 6500 years old. I said that DOING addition of generations to produce a date for Genesis was arbitrary. Try to keep up. I know its hard. And most Christians do not believe the world is 6500 years old.
Why is it that anti-Christians use the Bible, which they claim they don't believe in, to try to back up their statements when they are agreeing with the Bible? It seems to be the perfect reference in one instant in time and completely invalid in another.
event_horizon wrote:
The fact remains that the story of "Genesis" was taken literally up until science started proving it wrong. Now it's a metaphor. And some fools even still take it literally.
Oh so now YOU are omnipotent and YOU know what every person on earth believes. Well then I guess all that Inquisition stuff was for nothing. Better not let the Obama campaign hear about it. You, Obama and Matt Damon must be the new Trinity.
event_horizon wrote:
Saying that the Earth (Day 3) was created before the stars(Day 4) would be classified as a retarded metaphor.
Then you do not comprehend the metaphor. Its ok, not everyone was meant to be smart. Takes all kinds to make a world and remember, you are special.
event_horizon wrote:
Oh, you "suspect." I suspect you haven't done your research, that's why you can only "suspect." Ever thought the guy(s) who went back to look at it were simply in search of the truth, instead of keeping their heads buried in the sand? Nawwwww, that can't be.
Look who's talking, a person who has never read the Bible past a couple versus from Genesis which he got from an atheist website, who thinks he is an expert on Christianity and Christians themselves.
event_horizon wrote:
Do yourself a favor and add up the years for yourself, then you might actually believe it...if ya' ain't too skeered "God" might strike you for doing it.
Because when a person does not think something is a valid thing to do he chooses not to waste his time blindly repeating someone else's folly or regurgitating that person's statements. Might want to keep that in mind next time you go to WhackJobAtheist.com or AmericanCommunistParty.com to get your talking points.
event_horizon wrote:
It actually adds up to around 6,000 years when going back to "Adam & Eve."
Show me the math? Where are the numbers? Can't do it, can you?
event_horizon wrote:
I didn't know Matt was gay and spoke to ignorant fools.
Matt does talk to himself and he is an ignorant fool so does that count? And since we have established that you are the expert on Matt's gay-ness, please tell us about it cause I been thinking he's pretty gay. I don't how gay, but at least pretty gay.
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Oh, just a little bit more of that "retarded metaphor" you mentioned.
Wernher von Braun:
Upon surrendering with his rocket team to the Americans in 1945: "We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."
So, you still believe the world would be a better place without religion? Might want to think the matter through just a bit further.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:32 am Post subject:
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
The "all-powerful God" allows the less powerful "Satan" to roam around freely on Earth and deceive "His" creations in order to get them to "wise up?" Sounds like a game of trickery. Which preacher fed you that nonsense?
A&E believed without question because they had never been lied to. You are supposed to learn that there are people who lie. So, what grade are you in son?
Was it "people" that lied to "A&E" or was it a serpent? First you called "Satan" an animal, now he's a person. Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Are you in special ed?
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
"Satan" was said to be a serpent/reptile, not an "animal." Maybe they should have listened to Mickey Mouse, then none of this would have happened.
Satan was also known as The Teacher. You are supposed to gain knowledge from the experience, not blindly believe someone just because they are more powerful than you.
"A&E" didn't know what a lie was, remember, so of course they'd believe "The Teacher." And according to the Bible "A&E" didn't even know who "Satan" was or what evil was, so "A&E" aren't the ones to blame. "God" created the entire situation and "He" supposedly knew the results before it happened. Would you hand a retard a hand grenade?
TNuke wrote:
You imply that all Christians blindly believe the Bible. That is an anti-religious bigot generated myth.
Where did I imply that? You couldn't recognize implication if it squirmed out of your anus and bit you on the ass.
TNuke wrote:
Christians are intelligent people who choose to accept the wisdom and philosophy of the Bible. Christians know that some of the Bible is metaphorical and some is historically factual.
They don't "know" what's metaphorical or factual, or if any of it at all is supposed to be metaphorical. They only choose what they want to believe is metaphorical or factual. If it conflicts with science then it's a metaphor...if it doesn't, it's factual. It's a game they play.
TNuke wrote:
And while we are on that subject... Why do you care what somebody else believes in? What business is it of yours?
I just find it amazingly hilarious how 20th century humans can still believe in invisible magical beings. You entertain me.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
Hey, I'm not the one claiming I hear voices in my head. You shouldn't put your faith in schizophrenic humans -- it's not healthy.
What voices? You mean the one that keeps telling me not to argue with fools? Yep, that voice is probably right but I'm stubborn.
You should probably listen to the voice that says "go see a shrink, nutjob."
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
I'd rather put my trust in the song that goes "one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater." Those people had about as much wisdom as a donkey with grandiose type delusional disorder.
Man that is a bold statement, backed up by jack squat. So you are telling me that, for instance, the story of Joseph has no wisdom? I guess to a moron that would be true.
There are plenty of fictional stories with wisdom in it. But when fiction tries to pass itself of as fact, it's garbage.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
Arbitrary my bootyary. Whether it's 6,000 or 6,500 makes no difference. Homosapien remains have been found that existed over a million years ago. If the Bible dates back only 6,500 years to "Adam & Eve," then the whole Bible is a big pile of Godzilla poo.
I never said I agreed that the world is only 6500 years old. I said that DOING addition of generations to produce a date for Genesis was arbitrary. Try to keep up. I know its hard.
I never said you agreed. And I don't know what's so difficult for you to understand -- Day 6 starts off with "Adam & Eve," then the generational years afterwards adds up to around 6,000. If you want to believe it's "arbitrary," that's your problem.
TNuke wrote:
Why is it that anti-Christians use the Bible, which they claim they don't believe in, to try to back up their statements when they are agreeing with the Bible? It seems to be the perfect reference in one instant in time and completely invalid in another.
I'm not agreeing with the Bible. I'm agreeing with the science that debunks it. You can't possibly be this dense.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
The fact remains that the story of "Genesis" was taken literally up until science started proving it wrong. Now it's a metaphor. And some fools even still take it literally.
Oh so now YOU are omnipotent and YOU know what every person on earth believes.
Why don't you try and name ONE person who didn't take it literally, prior to Nicolas Copernicus.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
Saying that the Earth (Day 3) was created before the stars(Day 4) would be classified as a retarded metaphor.
Then you do not comprehend the metaphor.
You can't comprehend plain English.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
Do yourself a favor and add up the years for yourself, then you might actually believe it...if ya' ain't too skeered "God" might strike you for doing it.
Because when a person does not think something is a valid thing to do he chooses not to waste his time blindly repeating someone else's folly or regurgitating that person's statements.
In other words, you'd rather keep your head buried in the sand. It's okay, you've got plenty of company within the herds of sheep.
TNuke wrote:
event_horizon wrote:
It actually adds up to around 6,000 years when going back to "Adam & Eve."
Show me the math? Where are the numbers? Can't do it, can you?
It's a very simple form of math that's been around since the cavemen...it's now called it addition. Here's your numbers -- even one of your buddies agrees:
I didn't know Matt was gay and spoke to ignorant fools.
Matt does talk to himself and he is an ignorant fool so does that count? And since we have established that you are the expert on Matt's gay-ness, please tell us about it cause I been thinking he's pretty gay. I don't how gay, but at least pretty gay.
Well, since you're one of Matt's illegitemate children, I don't know how he can be gay. He could be bi though, I dunno.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:36 am Post subject:
TNuke wrote:
Oh, just a little bit more of that "retarded metaphor" you mentioned.
Wernher von Braun:
Upon surrendering with his rocket team to the Americans in 1945: "We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."
So, you still believe the world would be a better place without religion? Might want to think the matter through just a bit further.
Hey special ed, none of that has anything to do with the retarded metaphor I mentioned.
We also gave weapons to Saddam Hussein. Islamic nations also have nukes. So what point are you trying to make here?...that "God" condones the building and usage of nuclear weapons? Thank gawd you're not in the White House.
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GOD IS DEAD
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Not really gonna get into the whole debate with requisite name-calling here, just that it saddens me that people who claim intelligence should stoop to playground insults. Remember, religion is a matter of faith, faith comes from the heart and one's own convictions, and ridiculing one for their personal, spiritual beliefs is like hating someone for disliking the color yellow. Wheter one believes in God, Allah, the Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it boils down to own's own choices based on one's beliefs and ( I would hope) research.
Couple of little factoids - Christianity is NOT Western, neither American nor European. It's Eastern, with a heavy dose of Africa (Ethiopia and Egypt) thrown in. It doesn't matter if it's 6,000, 6,500 or three point-whatever billion - that's not the purpose of the Genesis story. The purpose (actual or metaphorical is one of those choices I mentioned) is to illustrate how man got to the imperfect condition he is in today. There is wisdom everywhere - check out the Pooh books for example. And btw, I dunno if Matt Damon is gay, but he's pretty convincing playing one.
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Oh, just a little bit more of that "retarded metaphor" you mentioned.
Wernher von Braun:
Upon surrendering with his rocket team to the Americans in 1945: "We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."
So, you still believe the world would be a better place without religion? Might want to think the matter through just a bit further.
Hey special ed, none of that has anything to do with the retarded metaphor I mentioned.
The point is pretty straight forward but for the mentally challenged I'll dumb it down. Germany is a country. In the last century there was a war between that country and the United Stated and other allies. The Germans employed scientists. These scientists developed rocket technology. They knew this technology could be used for great evil. Near the end of the war these scientists realized that Germany was going to lose. And they realized the technology they had created was going to fall into enemy hands. They compared the attributes of their numerous enemies. They decided that the United States should get the technology because it was a Christian country. Christians believe in morality. Christians were less likely to do evil things with rocket technology than Germany's other enemies, like the atheist USSR.
Is that simple enough? Are the sentences too long? Any big words you don't understand?
event_horizon wrote:
We also gave weapons to Saddam Hussein. Islamic nations also have nukes. So what point are you trying to make here?...that "God" condones the building and usage of nuclear weapons? Thank gawd you're not in the White House.
OK I'll dumb this down for you too. In any war or competition there is a thing called "strategy". Strategy is when you employ a plan or techniques to defeat your opponent. Your opponent may also use a strategy to defeat you. In the cold war the US's opponent was the USSR. The USSR gave weapons and technology to other countries. This strategy was used to undermine world opinion of the US. And it was used to create havoc by sparking wars. The US tried to counter this strategy with one of its own. This US strategy was to re-establish balance in the world where the USSR strategy was trying to cause problems.
I can shorten the sentences a bit more if you need. Let me know. Psssst, the United States has had nuclear weapons since 1947.
Oh, just one more thing. Communist countries, including the USSR and China, gave the technology needed to develop nuclear weapons to countries like Iran. The United States DID NOT give this technology to Saddam and in fact tried to stop him from getting it.
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