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screamzero
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 Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: What Socrates said.... |
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...before Jesus Christ was ever born, "Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. "
Strikingly similar to the Golden Rule...seems like that G-d "wisdom" thing has been around for quite a while. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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It seems like a pretty logical deduction to me, even without Jesus making it a commandment. Treat others like you want to be treated.
But, Jesus did mention the word 'love' which goes a few levels deeper than Socrates.
Treating others as you want to be treated is virtuous; but not really all that hard, especially if it is how you are raised. Hard, but definitely not impossible.
But actually loving others like you want to be loved? I don't know a single person that accomplished that, other than Jesus Himself.
Is it fair to say: We can make ourselves treat people the way we want to be treated, but, it's impossible to make ourselves love anyone? |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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It goes way beyond even Socrates, in times when first ever civillized societies were established at near east, family in those times was reffered not only to some individuals who had child and a grand'pa, but to whole group of society, as they shared their belongins to each other, term love was understood and wasnt needed. Later on, when governments started to get complex, there were created laws to oppose influence of oligarchy, that was the time when first bureaucracies were born, research for yourself... Of what we know about Jesus is only of those few people who have written in their old text's what we now call as Bible. Since those times ( ~2000years ago ), real Jesus could have been ideolized as example to modern societies such as Roman catholic for their goal to convert new barbaric teritories and control its own citizens. We know for sure that, if we read Hebrew Thora, there is no mentioning of Jesus, because they mainly stand on for Old Testimony. Was Jesus Son of God? I dont know, and i am sure non of you do too, even if you say that you believe in all that has been written in Bible, its written by the hand of Man, through ages it has been corrected and rewritten, some pararaphs are even lost forever. Recently church even said that Bible needs to be corrected again, why? Because its all human factor! Most probably Jesus was a simple human like all of us who put his thoughts into action, he was motivated enough to say what really was happening to the world.
PS. I Hope none of you will get angry, as christian myself i doubt Bibles genuinity in one case(and maybe few others), doubt is in all of us, but i simply dont want to walk like blind knowing only one part of the truth. |
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Welcome Shifter. 
I personally am not a Christian, however I do like Jesus, if he actually existed.
Ever read the Jefferson bible? |
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This is what Paul said instructing the church at Galatea: “For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment,” he wrote. “‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Christians do a pretty good job of loving the neighbor in the next pew. But if the theology makes it harder to love the neighbor a little farther away--particularly the poor and the weak--then it's a problem. The dominant theologies today have this problem. They tend to silence the words of Jesus by claiming it's impossible. The whole law as Paul states, is summed up in this single commandment: "You SHALL love your neighbor as yourself". "And these three remain--faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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| hi there, thank you for your reply! no i havent unfortunately, but it sounds a bit familiar, so i may just search it up on my local library. as i understood, he dismisess all other evangelists and leaves only one source, Jesus himself, but still knowing nothing exact of what Jefferson has changed in holy texts and how he made them look, i can't make reasonable and quick answer to this. once again, thank you for reading material. |
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Saul/Paul lied.
Tell a little truth with many lies. The Roman church knows this one.  As did Ronnie James Dio....
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| starman_ wrote: |
This is what Paul said instructing the church at Galatea: “For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment,” he wrote. “‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Christians do a pretty good job of loving the neighbor in the next pew. But if the theology makes it harder to love the neighbor a little farther away--particularly the poor and the weak--then it's a problem. |
There is an important distinction in the bible between 'neighbor' and 'brother/sister.'
The one in the pew is the brother/sister. The neighbor is anyone and usually means the world outside the Church body.
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| The dominant theologies today have this problem. They tend to silence the words of Jesus by claiming it's impossible. The whole law as Paul states, is summed up in this single commandment: "You SHALL love your neighbor as yourself". "And these three remain--faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. |
No Christians I know try to silence the words of Jesus. In fact that is a ridiculous statement. But... well... it is impossible. Reformed Christianity has as one of its central themes that God's intervention is required, i.e. mankind is incapable of following the law perfectly. |
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